Bursting Help

[BillNyeTheScienceGuy]

I have been spending time in DM servers trying to get the hang of bursting with the M4. For some reason it seems there is a different method of compensating for the recoil then the AK. With the AK i just pull down and unleash a 5 or 6 shot burst and take out enemies with ease, but not with the M4.

I really want to pwn with the M4 cause i have a run and gun style. But for some reason I cant burst worth a damn. Spraying is not a problem though. But I am losing to AK's at medium range cause I cant burst right.

Also I was wondering if you guys burst at long range with M4's. With an Ak i just do 1 quick shot but the M4 doesnt kill in 1 hit.

[sky]

I remember you from playing on the wop server like a year ago.

[0wnage]

wop guide?

[BillNyeTheScienceGuy]

Yes I was a regular on the server a year ago and I still drop by every once in a while, but since I live in the Northwest I get like a 100 ping. And thank you Ownage for your wonderful feedback, did that post take you more than 2 seconds to write? If I wanted to buy the WOP guide I would have done it a long time ago, but I'd rather figure it out for myself.

Anyways, I'm sure I will be able to figure it out on my own by watching demos and continuing to play in DM's, but you would be saving me a lot of time if you helped me out with this one.

[Chippe]

Hey, I was watching bill nye the science guy on tv like a year ago its funny

[Kezza06]

the M4 bursts quiker than the AK, so like u sed u was gettin owed at long/medium range wiv AK, its cos its betta at longer range shots than the M4 because M4 bursts quiker and therefore also sprays quiker so long shots r harder 2 make. But m4 is considerably betta close range than the AK so u wuld stand a betta chance killing wiv the M4 then sum1 holding an AK (if u aim at the head b4 he does tht is).

so 2 sum up M4 is betta at close range cos it lets off more shots than an AK.
and an AK is betta at long range because it doesnt spray as much !!

[BillNyeTheScienceGuy]

You are very right Kezza but unfortuately I already know this. What I need to know is what to do in case I'm ever in a situation where I have to fight an AK long range.

[0wnage]

Bill your funny, WoPs trying to sell a CSS Guide, and I know you know that also, and ur still asking for aiming tips? As much as i know, they probably want u to buy the guide and stop asking questions that the guide can answer. Its like saying, "How do i bunnyhop on edges or closed-in areas?" As we all know that GrAaL is selling a bunnyhop guide. Im not here to be an asshole, but sure.. we all would like to know how to aim, bunnyhop, spray, ect. These ppl you see have played for years.. Its basically asking them for 3 years of work in 1 paragraph for free. Thats if they "are willing" to tell you for free, but you can see that WoP has said many times in so many threads about the guide and purchasing it.

[BillNyeTheScienceGuy]

Theres only 1 way to settle this Ownage....I challenge you to a duel!

[SoliD]

i spray and pull at long range with m4

[BillNyeTheScienceGuy]

Ty Solid I'm sure you've opened the flood gates now to the CS community and now there will no longer be any noobs left to pwn, but ty. So you full on spray at long range huh? Wouldn't someone with an ak just pop you in the head with 1 quick shot?

[sky]

Wouldn't someone with an ak just pop you in the head with 1 quick shot?

that only happens with me no one else does that.

[0wnage]

High School is tough work, would drop out but i dont wanna end up like Solid. CSS is like out of the way.. Lets see.. i have Wrestling practice in October; cut my foot on the trenmill so i couldnt do Cross Country and didnt get a physical in time for Football.. After Wrestling, there is Track and afterwards is Soccer.. soo yea, hands are full until summer

[revolt]

Ok i might be completely wrong (I doubt it) with this but i'll try to give you a real answer. The M4 usually sprays up and towards the left at a harmonic increase. This means to begin with, aim at the lower right of their torso and let 5-6 bullets rip, then re-aim to their left shoulder and fire a couple more bullets...Thats the rhythm i try to use and I find it can be effective.

You will have to practice spraying barrels and things to find your own rhythm that works for you mate...

Cheers,
Revolt

[Rez_Doggs_Mr_Jack]

Bill your funny, WoPs trying to sell a CSS Guide, and I know you know that also, and ur still asking for aiming tips? As much as i know, they probably want u to buy the guide and stop asking questions that the guide can answer. Its like saying, "How do i bunnyhop on edges or closed-in areas?" As we all know that GrAaL is selling a bunnyhop guide. Im not here to be an asshole, but sure.. we all would like to know how to aim, bunnyhop, spray, ect. These ppl you see have played for years.. Its basically asking them for 3 years of work in 1 paragraph for free. Thats if they "are willing" to tell you for free, but you can see that WoP has said many times in so many threads about the guide and purchasing it.

yes the guide is great if itworks ive had the guide for6months maybe more... and the videos dont work.. they worked once when i first got the guide... if tried everything that pig told me too.....and now he dont even reply too my emails so pfft id use the guide but i cant............ cause i get more outta watchin the vids then reading..................... wahhhh

[Mackaybre]

yes the guide is great if itworks ive had the guide for6months maybe more... and the videos dont work.. they worked once when i first got the guide... if tried everything that pig told me too.....and now he dont even reply too my emails so pfft id use the guide but i cant............ cause i get more outta watchin the vids then reading..................... wahhhh

So for 6 months you've had the guide and it has done you no good? No, wait, you say in there that the guide helped at the beginning. Then what happened? Did it stop doing what it was already doing, and couldn't possibly stop doing, or did you simply stop getting better?

Okay, that's out there, but next you tried everything that pig told you, and you didn't get anything out of that, either, as you say. Again I ask: can you determine what it was about Pig's further instruction that did not help? Did you ask anyone else? Might I also put forward that school is a perfect analogy to consider in this situation? The teacher can give you the information, present it in many different ways, but you still have to pay attention, drill the exercises and Learn the material. If you don't end up comprehending it could be anyone's fault, but it is your problem.

So the learning style you indicate you prefer is the instructional Video; I would ask if anyone can honestly expect to continually get better at something by just watching. Do you think that someone with a pudgey belly can watch 8 Minute Abs without exercising get a rock-hard six-pack? It makes sense, and I'm certain you'll say you've tried it... Oh look, you did. Again, I'll bring up exercising. Anyone here "tried" exercising and got no results? It happens sometimes, and occasionally there really isn't an explanation for it. You do the exercises enough, eat healthy and you'll gain muscle mass. You practice an instrument enough, and you'll play beautifully. If you can't, the possibility with the highest likelihood is that you aren't doing the exercise enough, nor, quite probably, with enough attention to the details to make minor corrections and improve your drills.

Maybe there's a learning style that you have which is not properly targetted by the Visual, Auditory, Textbook, and Direct Attention Lessons that are included in the aforementioned guide. I'm sure we'd all like to know what that style is so we can better cater to people in similar situations. Shit, I'd love to personally make you a better CS:S player. In fact, if I had several wishes, I'm pretty sure one of them would be to effortlessly make every person who can't pwn after watching a Gaming Video be among the ultimate CS:S players overnight. Sarcasm aside, we do not have as much invested in making you a better player as you, and thus the bulk of the effort has to come from you. In the over-used words of Laurence Fishburne as Morpheus: I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

That isn't to say we're not willing to help. People have to understand though that sometimes you can't be helped, and it's not the teacher's fault; it doesn't have to be your fault, either. As I have practically no information to go on, I just cover as much as possible so that everyone can consider everything here and decide what they can get out of this, if anything.

It might be worthwhile to consider that without any specifics, it would be difficult to move forward in helping. It's also worthwhile to consider that Pig especially has better things to do than say the same things in as many different ways as possible to every person who has trouble interpreting or applying the guide. Hence for the private forums with as much Guidance in them as possible, from as many varying sources as possible. You might notice that specific questions on the Private forums tend to get (eventually) serious attention, and vague ones get pretty much nothing.

Most people are not machines; you can't do what an Aimbot does and no matter how much you drill you'll never be that quick or accurate. You might get close, but it's entirely possible there's only so-far you can ever take it. Furthermore you're still going to have bad days and get owned no matter how good you end up being.

So to recap, if one can't use the written guide anymore because they get more out of watching Videos, which don't work anymore, maybe CS:S instructions, for those people, are like an overused fantasy; After a while, the same stuff doesn't do it for them. Perhaps one should go out and get oneself some new excitement or fornicate with themselves a while, figuratively speaking.

If you honestly have drilled everything in WoP's vids and written guide; if you've honestly devoted significant playing time to the drudgingly DULL exercises meant to tighten your techniques and improve your accuracy, and you still can't hit shit, you will not be able to gain any magical insight from anyone here that will get you to aim better. Aiming accuracy and strafe-stopping and twitching and bursting are Mechanical. They need to be drilled every day so they can become essentially automatic, and so you can concentrate on playing the mind game. If you're already doing that and not getting results, I'd suggest that you demo yourself, even just doing the drills, and get critique on it. Maybe you pull to far to the right before you settle on the guy's head, maybe you strafe too far out from a peeking spot. There are multitudes of tiny imperfections you can just try and spot and work on that will tighten up your game and ultimately make you a better player.


Towards this Thread's question (I know that was a horribly long aside), I would suggest that when faced with ANY weapon long range, whether you have an ak or an M4, whether you're facing an m4 or ak or awp your goal is clear: Hit the guy in the head with 1-3 bullets before he hits you. Everything else is situational and that's the mind game. It would come down to his aim vs yours, his strafestop vs yours, which of you spotted the other first, etc.

Keep in mind where your bullets land in relation to your crosshair. If you have that in mind, you can drill and work out for yourself everything you need, for every distance.

[revolt]

Uhhhh, Macaybre... I'm pretty sure what he meant was that the videos DO NOT WORK ON HIS COMPUTER, not that he is stupid, illiterite or just plain sucks at source.

If I am correct, you have wasted your time and made a complete ass of yourself, if I am wrong, then I agree with you whole heartedly.

Just make sure that you don't insult someones intelligence without understanding they're situation first.

Don't insult someone unless you've walked a mile in their shoes!

[Mackaybre]

That's a good point about what he meant, revolt, and I do apologize to Jack if he, too, viewed that as an attack on him.

I'd suggest that instead of concluding I made an ass of myself, that a portion of my preceeding post is based on a false assumption, and therefore inapplicable to Jack, while the remainder is still valid in a General sense, and still pertinent. Maybe I should just change all the "you"s into the general pronoun "one."

[revolt]

Yes, you should... I liked your part about 8 minute abs though! I'd love just watching it to give me some rock abs!

[MrSparkle]

Bill your funny, WoPs trying to sell a CSS Guide, and I know you know that also, and ur still asking for aiming tips? As much as i know, they probably want u to buy the guide and stop asking questions that the guide can answer. Its like saying, "How do i bunnyhop on edges or closed-in areas?" As we all know that GrAaL is selling a bunnyhop guide. Im not here to be an asshole, but sure.. we all would like to know how to aim, bunnyhop, spray, ect. These ppl you see have played for years.. Its basically asking them for 3 years of work in 1 paragraph for free. Thats if they "are willing" to tell you for free, but you can see that WoP has said many times in so many threads about the guide and purchasing it.

The guide should not be the only source for aiming tips and every other tip and trick.